obviously the voters didn't consider him presidential cal -- caliber. >> this picture of bruce babbitt. >> this is what candidates have to go through, and everybody is saying, oh, that's a bell helmet, bicycle riding, that's a cold weather face bask r mask. -- mask he has on. it was another photo op and it was at least 20 below zero and what he was doing was participating in some of the annual perry frostbite bicycle race, where they i think bicycle 20 miles and back and it's an annual event and then they have some kind of meal at the local high school, etc., so he was dressd in that garb, he was very athletic, and this was his photo op for the day which none of us particularly appreciated. we were in heated vans and that's the way i like to keep it when it's that cold, but that's what he was doing, this frostbite race, which was just a photo op. >> this one? >> this is again u.s. studio, i believe, in des moines, when he was getting ready for an appearance on c-span and one of the production assistants was helping i think with your piece, i don't know whether it was remote or not, hel